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Number of replacement frames required
Poll ended at Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:50 am
One set 80%  80%  [ 4 ]
Two sets 20%  20%  [ 1 ]
Three sets 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 5
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:55 am 
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Great story!

Even for a 1th April story a bit too much to be true.

Still why can't garden railroaders be treated as real customers.
We are still struggling on with uncomplete or faulty products.
And should take that for granted.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:55 pm 
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You're right, Wilco. More and more good business ethics are being replaced by, "whatever the market will bear". X(

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:58 pm 
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Wilco A wrote:
Great story!

Even for a 1th April story a bit too much to be true.

Still why can't garden railroaders be treated as real customers.
We are still struggling on with uncomplete or faulty products.
And should take that for granted.
Strange world.


#1000 of the Model Railroader hit the newsstand in our valley — well, one can't have everything, deliveries take a bit longer in the Okanagan, however that is made up many fold by the climate, the scenery and all the other possibilities. ;) B-)
Anyway, among a lot of good stuff, you'll find on Page 52 "The Future of Model Railroading" with the subtitle "Changes are up to the market, not manufacturers." Now this is an article everyone with an interest in model railroading should read and then remember.

As long as the market accepts all the garbage that some manufacturers produce, the manufacturers have no reason to change. As P.T. Barnum supposedly said "There's a sucker born every minute" i.e. there are always new customers to be fooled, that can't be helped. What surprises me is how many people bitch and bitch about A,B or C and happily keep on buying in the hope that "things" will change. In my (seldom humble) opinion this is an almost "exclusive feature" in Large Scale when it comes to model railroading.
In the smaller scales the laggards got eliminated some time ago, either that or were acquired by another manufacturer who made sure that "the new addition" got with the program.

In Large Scale?? X( X( X(

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:19 pm 
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I agree HJ, but think that it's not enough to "not buy"....the makers won't necessarily get what's wrong, or will just go on to the next mediocre project. I think it's important to let manufacturers know, by email, letter, or even call; what we would like, what kind of quality and detail we'd like, and what products. Also let them know when your purchase doesn't work well, or breaks, so they can make improvements. the more we largescalers write and communicate with them, the better idea they'll have of who their market is and what they want.

A letter goes a long way. As we see, even large companies like pepsi respond quickly to market blowback.
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That may be so with fast moving consumer goods.

At MLGB they are remarkeble customer proof.
They are listening, but not doing anything about it.
So you can write all you want.
At some point you don't even get an answer anymore.


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Anyone have a definite reply from Frau Grobauer ( at KISS) when the replacement frames will be shipped?
I figured I ask just in case I'm on Kiss' blacklist and they actually delivered. It's been another 9 months since the last correspondence,. X( X( X(

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:17 pm 
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I haven't heard anything and I've written them several times over it.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:09 am 
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Prompted to write her, after seeing your post, HJ, I sent Frau Grobauer an email last night, and in an uncharacteristic move, I received a response from her this morning.
She writes:
"we expect to ship the new flooring early next year when we get the next shipment from China.
We will contact you as soon as the goods have arrived."

I wished her a happy holiday season, and she did the same for me.
We will see if she makes good on her promise. We can see the high priority they've placed on this, since I got my first engine in 2008. I reminded her, that as it sits in the box, both engines continue to lose paint, and details are falling off due to glue letting go, and that's without any kind of use or movement, which would likely have strewn details all around the floor.
I wish there was some kind of governing body in the industry, the way there was for the VW fuel scam. They would have been so busted.
So perhaps the 3 Christmas spirits will visit Herr Kiss and Frau Grobauer, and prompt them to mend their ways and get these things done.


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